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Emperor Salazar
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Posted - 2011.09.15 13:39:00 -
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There is no isk/hr in exploration (unless you are farming anomalies in null sec, as an exception).
If you need guaranteed isk/hr, go back to missions. If you like the idea of stumbling upon treasure once in a while but can accept otherwise finding a lot of nothing quite frequently, then exploration may be for you. |

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Posted - 2011.09.15 13:41:00 -
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Usurpine wrote:Its a lie. If you are able to kill the ship which is dropping the expensive PBO (sometimes) and you divide this earned cash between all your mates who have helped you to kill the sites and you also count in all the time you need to do this there is no billions earned cash.
If i constantly rat or mine and stockpile zydrine of all my corpmates who are helping mining or ratting and then after 2 weeks I jump to jita and sell it, i can make more isk in the moment somebody buys my stuff.
And then i am not telling you how much time and investment it took me to use a jump freighter and also pay for accounts with cyno pilots in it and so on. All this people dont tell you, they only see the momentary spike of isk and ignore the hours they have spend without any income at all.
This guy has no idea what he's talking about. Don't bother listening to him.
That or he is just trying to keep you, potentially one more competitor, out of exploration.
Either way, he is a tool. |

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Posted - 2011.09.15 18:22:00 -
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Powie XIII wrote:Exploration is a lie. There is nothing but disappointments awaiting you there.
You are better off doing level 4 missions. You are better off mining.
Initiate self-destruct sequence Powie. |

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Posted - 2011.09.17 12:55:00 -
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Luninuas wrote:Luciffer 13 wrote:Five legions lost during exploration. Can you handle that? All that says is you suck at exploration, lol
Or that he takes risks and **** happens. |

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Posted - 2011.09.17 13:57:00 -
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Mesh Marillion wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:Luninuas wrote:Luciffer 13 wrote:Five legions lost during exploration. Can you handle that? All that says is you suck at exploration, lol Or that he takes risks and **** happens. Then his ability to wage risk vs reward is probably not well developed. Truth to be told low sec explorations can be decently profitable. It is however probably not as good as incursions or level 4s. You should also be aware that depending on the space you're operating in mag/radar site will be the bread and butter whereas combat sites are much more hit and miss (if you find them that is). If you take maybe a week of rather constant probing and plexing you can get a rough idea how profitable your setup is (and your setup as well as your location plays a huge role in it). Exploration is really more about lifestyle, like some already mentioned than minmaxing the isk/h.
I wasn't talking about risk/reward.
Some sites are difficult and not everyone wants their hand held while doing them and thus don't look up the guides for them (or they are simply not documented well). I almost lost a tengu the other day doing my first Digital Compound; I just didn't realize the damage output in the last room. Overheat and a blue pill made things ok but it was still damn close.
**** happens. And even if those losses of his were to pirates, that's part of the risk.
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Posted - 2011.09.17 21:09:00 -
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Mesh Marillion wrote:True, but then again there is a difference between testing something and being foolhardy with expensive equipment. For example when i did my first stints in w space i didn't go in with a t3 but with drakes in order to get a feeling for the dps there. Lost one, even on the specific sites i lost it i made profit (and replacement drake rdy to go). And i know about undocumented sites, i've run quite a few of them myself or tested them with unsual setups. I remember doing the first mothership incursion sites without real knowledge about how the bombers actually worked (and i promptly lost a guardian to the alpha of them due to dualboxing).
Still, there are times where committing expensive stuff without a safety net is just unnecessary and nothing to boast about, at least in pve :)
Sometimes expensive ships are necessary.
When I was first attempting to solo C4 wormhole sites (before sleepers got the neut fix), I knew a drake or Nighthawk wouldn't be able to do it. I had to use a tengu. I damn near lost it quite a few times (especially in the one with 3x Safeguards-I think thats their name).
Alas, its a game. Safety nets are nice but sometimes they just aren't feasible. And honestly, what are you really losing? |

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Posted - 2011.09.18 21:19:00 -
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FuzzyLogik360 wrote:Xyolon wrote:...I can't really understand why some people are scared, and I mean really scared, of losing a pile of pixels. But when that pile of pixels costs you 33 euros per month, it suddenly takes on a different meaning. Fine for those that can afford the time to dual/tripple/quad box with 20 accounts, and pay for all their shiny ships and PLEX just to blow it up the next day and not blink an eye-lid. But the casual player can't do this. I hear many on these forums claim that you cannot play this game, and have "reward" without "risk". Well, I see no risk for those players who have billions in their wallets. If a lost tengu represents only 10% of your wallet, that's not a risk, that's pocket money. Do not mock those who fear low-sec for good reason, when you yourself do not face the same risk. Try putting 75%+ of your wallet on the line, then you'll know risk - hardly surprising the majority of casual (intelligent) players never leave hi-sec.
This is the biggest bunch of crap I've ever read about why bears don't leave high sec.
I know plenty of mission runners with billions of isk who simply are too scared that every gate in low sec is camped to death and they will insta perma die and lose everything should they jump the gate.
Those that truly fear low sec simply have never experienced it enough or their minimal experience was a reckless jump in followed by losing their shiny ship. This is pathetic. Its a game. You should fear nothing.
This is entirely off topic from the op, but you should honestly feel pretty ashamed that you are afraid of a little pew pew on your shiny.
Also sweet assumption about the 20 accounts thing How many people do you really think go to that extent? Realistically now. |

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Posted - 2011.09.19 02:24:00 -
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Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:Arrigo Glokta wrote:Many thanks for all your comments guys... great to hear both side of the story.
In conclusion - I guess I will have to train for a Pilgrim and try it for myself - see if the shoe fits!
Cheers guys Buzzard, Cheetah, etc. Not a Pilgrim.
Pilgrim will do just fine for some plexes. |

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Posted - 2011.09.19 18:59:00 -
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Xela Dioved wrote:Xyolon wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:And honestly, what are you really losing? QFT Sometimes I just stare 'cause I can't really understand why some people are scared, and I mean really scared, of losing a pile of pixels. Probably the second most dense argument about online gaming ever presented, If you have no passion for the pixels, stop playing.
You can have passion for the pixels but not get butthurt when they disappear. |

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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:28:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:
Pixels represent time out of your life, time you may have to put in to replace them too (this is the case whether you play to play or pay to play).
If you lose that time out of your life to someone else's activity, it hurts - it's supposed to hurt, that's why EVE is the game it is, why many people love it.
Of course it's easy to lose perspective - it's a game, and a game you've chosen to play. Part of the challenge in playing a game like this is in seeing how well you can "handle" loss, how quickly you can recover your equilibrium before you've said something stupid in local that you'll regret :)
I agree with everything you're saying, but some people take their internet pixels a bit too seriously. By accepting this is a game you have already given up the time of your life that you spend on it. Because at the end of the day, it is a game. Some people forget this and can't handle losses very well or are too afraid to even risk losses. This is my point. Taking internet pixels so seriously that the thought of losing them becomes as real as loss in RL. That is sad. |

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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:39:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:
It's not necessarily sad. Below the level of conscious thought, the brain doesn't discriminate between "real" loss and "virtual" loss. That's why you get the adrenalin rush at the prospect of winning or losing pixels - that's why games matter, why people play them, because they tickle the same parts of the brain as if it were real.
Of course consciously we understand that and can override the brain's reaction, but sometimes when you're really immersed in a game in a trance state, it takes a few minutes for your conscious thinking to kick back in. This isn't "sad", it's why EVE is a good game, because it can seem real, if only now and then.
We laugh at people who are so engrossed in their game that they get really upset, but that's more a kind of machismo, akin to drug machismo. Everybody who plays EVE feels the hurt of loss - you're more or less "manly" in EVE terms if you're quick to recover, quick to regain perspective, and those who are slow to recover are laughed at.
I think I'm talking more about those that are 100% averse to loss. I agree, the adrenaline rush is quite a good way to show the lack of discrimination in "real" and "virtual" loss. However, those that consciously make the decision to not risk their internet pixels because the world will end if they lose their ship, that is what I think is sad. |

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Posted - 2011.09.23 14:33:00 -
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Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:Arrigo Glokta wrote:Many thanks for all your comments guys... great to hear both side of the story.
In conclusion - I guess I will have to train for a Pilgrim and try it for myself - see if the shoe fits!
Cheers guys Buzzard, Cheetah, etc. Not a Pilgrim. Pilgrim will do just fine for some plexes. Yeah, and so will a drake. Cov-Ops with Gravity Capacity Update rigs or whatever they call are the best for scanning for plex. Yeah, you can scan with anything, but this isn't about what is "okay", it is what is best.
Scanning with a cov ops is not "best." It means you have to reship, which means your target scanning area is limited.
All-in-one ships are what is best and most efficient, thus Tech 3, and specifically the Tengu. As a precursor, pilgrims are a nice way to start and get used to things.
And don't counter with "use an alt to scan, do sites in a combat character." That is not most efficient either, as that means isk is "technically" split between two characters. Real efficiency would be two all-in-one ships scanning two different regions. |

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Posted - 2011.09.23 17:16:00 -
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Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
Personally, I do use two characters, but even then the scanning Cov-Ops switches out to a high DPS ship. And yeah, a Tengu or two with one probing, would be most efficient. I just don't see how a Pilgrim is even remotely comparable to this? You can't tank a 6/10 with a Pilgrim, let alone do enough DPS to kill the boss Hell, what exactly can you tank or kill with a Pilgrim?
I didn't say a pilgrim was comparable to a tengu. I said a pilgrim was better than just using a cov ops and switching ships when you find something.
A pilgrim can do Provisional Outpost, Outpost, possibly 5/10 depending on faction and any radar/mags.
For a newer low-sec explorer, a pilgrim is a good choice. Cloak, decent tank, drones for damage, plenty of utility and the ability to scan down these lower end sites with lvl 3 skills, a sisters launcher and maybe a rig. |

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Posted - 2011.09.23 18:24:00 -
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Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
For a new player, I would suggest using a cov-ops to find the sites, and a Battleship or HAC to run them.
lmao |
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